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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:23 am 
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native IPv6 would be great as well. we would like to use linode to host a web app of which about 1/2 the users are from asia where ipv6 is quite heavily used. (other half are north american).


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:52 am 
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tronic wrote:
Value of IPv6? Well, it provides a whole bunch of benefits. I won't enumerate them here since I'm a little rusty with the list.

Why has it taken off with large providers in the U.S.? Because for a few years now, it has been a mandatory prerequisite for certain U.S. Department of Defense contract bid checklists. If you didn't support it, you couldn't bid for lucrative government (DoD) contracts.

Why has it taken off in Japan? Well, years ago, the entire Internet was essentially divided into regions. A RIR would then allocate its region's block to providers in the region.

Japan had a greater population density and greater use of IPv4 IPs, percentage-wise, so they were really feeling IPv4 pressure. NAT'ing went ever so far. They're also pretty good with technology so trying IPv6 wasn't a hard sell. This helped to ease a lot of the IP addressing pressure.

In the U.S., originally, we were going to run out of IPv4 addresses which was the original impetus for adopting IPv6. However, we seem to have hit a plateau with IPv4 so the major pressure is not quite there any more. Still a potential threat lurking in the background but not as urgent now.

Plateau? Not urgent? I beg to differ.

For an illustrative example, check out the counter on the left of http://tunnelbroker.net/index.php .

As it stands, all indications are that there's no way we can get sufficient IPv6 adoption before the IPv4 address space is exhausted.

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IPv6 addressing space is HUGE!!!! I have an obscenely-sized netblock allocated to me -- the smallest that could be sanely routed, at work. This affords me ability to do all sorts of good subnet allocations and effective firewall filtering.

IPv6 also has a concept of autoconfiguration/router discovery. It's kinda DHCP-like and nice because it just 'works'. Has a bunch of other features. It's a nice skill to learn (for setup) if you ever want to work in Europe/Asia or in the U.S. at a DoD contractor or bidder.

IPv6 is actually now reasonably stable. Cisco, Juniper, I think also Huawei, etc. all supports IPv6 in their main router code now. Pretty much any OS released in the past year or two supports it out of box. This includes: Windows Vista, MacOS X, Linux, OpenVMS, AIX, Solaris, etc.

There are still some quirks in setting up apps to support IPv6 but not too bad. I spent one very intensive weekend with another person at work setting up (from scratch) IPv6-enabled apps, configuring them, ironing out bugs, testing on various platforms. I tested with OpenBSD, Linux, Solaris, AIX, and Windows. All worked great.

So... for most people, there is no real need or reason to play with IPv6. But for some, it's an interesting new skill to master and looks good on a resume/CV as an 'advanced' technical skill that few knows.

P.S. To test if you're connected via IPv6, go to http://www.kame.net
If it's IPv6, the turtle will be dancing.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 am 
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I'm happily set with my IPv4 and IPv6 spaces and all apps fully qualified and tested, quirks documented, everything. At both home and work.

I qualified v6 for a number of OSes, including the lesser well known ones such as OpenVMS. Works great. This including v6 security (iptables, firewalls, pf, etc).

Unfortunately, v6 isn't going to see widespread adoption until perhaps when v4 address space exhausts. For many places, management works on a 'next crisis' basis. :-)

If I had to guess, the initial approach to v4 address space exhaustion might actually be increased v4 NAT'ing.


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 Post subject: Re: Alas...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:47 am 
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tronic wrote:
Unfortunately, v6 isn't going to see widespread adoption until perhaps when v4 address space exhausts. For many places, management works on a 'next crisis' basis. :-)

If I had to guess, the initial approach to v4 address space exhaustion might actually be increased v4 NAT'ing.


Unfortunately i think you're right about the NATing, but not just because ISPs are slow on the uptake of IPv6 but because none of the major router manufacturers are shipping consumer boxes capable of IPv6.

My ISP provides native IPv6 but there is not a single consumer ADSL router out that supports it. Cisco has an expensive high-end one, and i believe there's some beta firmware floating around for a Xyxel model but that's it. Even the ethernet routers rarely have support for it.

Come the end of 2011 and IPv4 exhaustion everyone is going to be caught with their pants down and i don't understand why when even the common people like me can see it's coming.

Perhaps the manufacturers think they can get away with one more business cycle's worth of models before launching IPv6 capable equipment and forcing everyone to upgrade. If so i think it's a bit short-sighted.

Anyway, i just wanted to throw my vote in for Linodes to get native IPv6 wherever possible. Now i'm off to write a scathing email to my router manufacturer requesting IPv6 support. :lol:


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