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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:12 pm 
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Reading the www.linode.com
I noticed that every linodes has been upgraded from VPS to Cloud :D :lol:

Very interesting, in any case I don't catched the Cloud concept
Why use cloud? What is a cloud? Why my VPS is now a cloud?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:20 pm 
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It probably helps with marketing, because "cloud" is a buzzword nowadays. Even the great Linode can't keep making a profit without marketing 8)

I don't care what it's called, as long as it works well and it's not in Fremont!


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hybinet wrote:
It probably helps with marketing, because "cloud" is a buzzword nowadays. Even the great Linode can't keep making a profit without marketing 8)

I don't care what it's called, as long as it works well and it's not in Fremont!


I have no problem with the marketing, I know that cloud is now a cool word but what does it means?
It seems that everything that uses a "service on the internet" is a cloud service.

What is a cloud?


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Nobody knows what it means, sblantipodi.

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mnordhoff wrote:
Nobody knows what it means, sblantipodi.


but if nobody knows what it means, why everyone want to use a cloud?
it seems that every non-technical people knows what is a cloud, I'm not so technical but I know how to manage a VPS and write some software and I don't know what is a cloud.


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"Cloud" is the new name for "mainframe", more or less.

See also here and here.

Disclaimer: I am a cloud mechanic.


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The explanation for "Cloud" that I heard was that it is something of an internet RAID that makes having a physical storage device optional -- everybody's data is stored online across every storage device connected to the Cloud and is protected with some kind of encryption. If someone has a spare storage device, they can add it to the cloud. Not my idea of security or personal control :-)

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hybinet wrote:
I don't care what it's called, as long as it works well and it's not in Fremont!


LoL, I smell a new meme being born here... :mrgreen:


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hoopycat wrote:
"Cloud" is the new name for "mainframe", more or less.

See also here and here.

Disclaimer: I am a cloud mechanic.


Ok wikipedia explains better than what I can do but why VPS is a cloud?
Am I wrong or a VPS is something for technical people? If yes, why calling it Cloud?
Cloud is the most weird term invented by human to teach an internet concept to people.
It may works and it works but why use this terminology with technical people?

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LoL, I smell a new meme being born here... :mrgreen:


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Essential Characteristics:
* On-demand self-service: CHECK
* Broad network access: CHECK
* Resource pooling: CHECK
* Rapid elasticity: CHECK
* Measured Service: CHECK

Therefore, Linode uses a cloud computing model, per the NIST definition. Linode itself hasn't changed, but customer expectations have: it seems to have gotten to the point where potential customers are wondering why Linode isn't a cloud computing provider when all of their competitors are...


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the IT world is a strange one.


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Scumbag business people
Monosyllabic names for everything


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sblantipodi wrote:
Ok wikipedia explains better than what I can do but why VPS is a cloud?
Am I wrong or a VPS is something for technical people? If yes, why calling it Cloud?
Cloud is the most weird term invented by human to teach an internet concept to people.
It may works and it works but why use this terminology with technical people?


The term VPS is really no different than VPN. 'Virtual Private Server' and 'Virtual Private Network'.Both are virtual and private and can be done with whatever the owner wants. No technicality needed, except the initial setup and security, and an occaisional update to take advantage of security updates (the updating part isn't really that technical IMO once you're used to it, and the initial setup is (mostly) easy with help).

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Piki wrote:
The term VPS is really no different than VPN. 'Virtual Private Server' and 'Virtual Private Network'.Both are virtual and private and can be done with whatever the owner wants. No technicality needed, except the initial setup and security, and an occaisional update to take advantage of security updates (the updating part isn't really that technical IMO once you're used to it, and the initial setup is (mostly) easy with help).


I don't catched what do you want to say with this.


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To me the closest thing to a cloud would be what uses a utility computing model for billing and for technical implementation.

Amazon bills by usage but you still manage "instances" although S3 might fit.

I think two examples of cloud for sure would be the venerable old shared hosting. You upload HTML files to an address and it might be one machine or a cluster or clusters of clusters.

The other would be Google's App Engine.

I like running my own VPS because it lets me choose what to install and how to administer it. I'm not interested in cloud and I'm most definitely not interested in being nickeled and dimed to death by a variable utility computing model.


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