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 Post subject: US Patriot Act, privacy
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Apparently, because of the US Patriot Act, the US government can obtain all data from my server on LINODE without a warrant or court order. Read here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57557 ... chers-say/

My server is on LINODE machine outside of the US, but the government can still get my data and I won't even know about it.

I urge all LINODE customers to put pressure on LINODE. LINODE must put pressure on the US government to REPEAL the PATRIOT ACT.

My server on Linode works great, but I am eagerly looking for an opportunity to switch to a provider that is NOT based in the USA.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:26 pm 
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I have contacted Linode (opened a support ticket) asking them to put pressure on the US government and informing them that I intend to send my business to another provider.

If you care for privacy of your data (and that of your clients), you might consider contacting Linode like I did.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:32 pm 
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Okay, LINODE sent me this reply:

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Hi,

Thank you for contacting us. We never access the internals filesystems of Linodes without express customer permission or legal subpoena. If it helps to place a little more ease on your nerves, you're free to use the dm-crypt kernel module if you're truly concerned about security and privacy -- the Linode Library touches on the pros and cons of this setup:

http://library.linode.com/security/basi ... itive-data

If it interests you, you can also read more about our privacy policy here:

http://www.linode.com/privacy.cfm

You can rest assured that we take customer privacy very seriously and all sensitive information is handled with the utmost importance and care. With that being said, we are a US-based company and must adhere to US laws and regulations.

If there is anything further we can assist you with, please let us know.

-Danny


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:42 pm 
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peteras wrote:
I urge all LINODE customers to put pressure on LINODE. LINODE must put pressure on the US government to REPEAL the PATRIOT ACT.


I understand that you're not from the US, but you must be really ignorant of the US to think that pressure from linode is going to get the Patriot Act repealed. Pressure from a lot of groups a hell of a lot bigger than linode has done no good in that respect.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:24 pm 
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glg wrote:
I understand that you're not from the US, but you must be really ignorant of the US to think that pressure from linode is going to get the Patriot Act repealed. Pressure from a lot of groups a hell of a lot bigger than linode has done no good in that respect.


How do you know that I am not from the US?

A thousand mile journey starts with a single step. So must start the pressure on the US government to stop violating the US constitution.

The Patriot Act (and similar recent laws) are already seriously hurting the US IT companies. You don't have to be a PhD to understand that your data in the US are not safe.

As I already said, I know that this post will not make the US government to behave, and I am looking for the opportunity to switch to a different provider (that does not do business within US jurisdiction).


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:52 pm 
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linode says "We never access the internals filesystems of Linodes without express customer permission or legal subpoena."

What's a legal subpoena? I thought the issue was the government could access data without a subpoena? and, linode would be unable to confirm or deny or otherwise notify the customer.

In my case, I truly have nothing to hide, but that's not the point. This is part of a bigger global issue that affects everyone, so I support those who fight against it.

If I use encfs for my /home, and have it open 24/7, can the host see unencrypted data on /home on my linode? or do they have to go through my kernel?

I'm guessing they have to go through my kernel, I'm not sure how easy that is though.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:46 pm 
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chesty wrote:
linode says "We never access the internals filesystems of Linodes without express customer permission or legal subpoena."

What's a legal subpoena? I thought the issue was the government could access data without a subpoena? and, linode would be unable to confirm or deny or otherwise notify the customer.

In my case, I truly have nothing to hide, but that's not the point. This is part of a bigger global issue that affects everyone, so I support those who fight against it.

If I use encfs for my /home, and have it open 24/7, can the host see unencrypted data on /home on my linode? or do they have to go through my kernel?

I'm guessing they have to go through my kernel, I'm not sure how easy that is though.


Bravo, Chesty!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:32 pm 
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peteras wrote:
that your data in the US are not safe

And where (exactly) is this mystical safe haven for data that you imagine exists somewhere in the world?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:42 am 
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I generally store all my data with budget providers in developing nations, preferably in areas with strict dictatorships. I've found that's the best way to ensure my data is safe and sound.

- Les


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:03 am 
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akerl wrote:
I generally store all my data with budget providers in developing nations, preferably in areas with strict dictatorships. I've found that's the best way to ensure my data is safe and sound.


This turns out to be the most convenient practice as well, since there is no need to encrypt and decrypt data.

James


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:41 pm 
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After careful consideration I've decided that I would be able to pitch in and do my part, so, if Galloway, NJ should secede, and find itself in need of a strict dictator - I am currently available. Just sayin'...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:06 pm 
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peteras wrote:
glg wrote:
I understand that you're not from the US, but you must be really ignorant of the US to think that pressure from linode is going to get the Patriot Act repealed. Pressure from a lot of groups a hell of a lot bigger than linode has done no good in that respect.


How do you know that I am not from the US?


Sorry, maybe you are, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for an incredibly naive thought that pressure from linode would do anything whatsoever to get the Patriot Act repealed. If you're not from the US, that naivety is reasonable. If you are from the US, it's not.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:10 pm 
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glg wrote:
Sorry, maybe you are, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for an incredibly naive thought that pressure from linode would do anything whatsoever to get the Patriot Act repealed. If you're not from the US, that naivety is reasonable. If you are from the US, it's not.


Thank you for the compliments. I am so incredibly naive that I also vote.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:44 pm 
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peteras wrote:
Thank you for the compliments. I am so incredibly naive that I also vote.

Let me guess, you went thru the oxymoron called the American Education System right?

The one where no moron is left behind, the one where it's all about the standardized test and nothing about actual learning or thinking, the one where the teachers all race to tenure and then zone out in "you can't fire me" land? The one where you need ZERO credentials and about the same IQ to get on the School Board?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:54 pm 
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Let me guess, you went thru the oxymoron called the American Education System right?

The one where no moron is left behind, the one where it's all about the standardized test and nothing about actual learning or thinking, the one where the teachers all race to tenure and then zone out in "you can't fire me" land? The one where you need ZERO credentials and about the same IQ to get on the School Board?


Wow, with a ringing endorsement like that, sign me up!

- Les


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