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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:46 am 
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ohkus wrote:
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Wait so you are referencing an article that uses sources from 2003

Huh?

The paper was written for FAST '13 (the File and Storage Technologies Conference held in FEB 2013).

From what ass did you pull the 2003 figure?

The paper was done by postdoc's at OSU (Ohio State University) and by researchers at HP Labs.

They used 15 MODERN SSD drives from 5 MODERN vendors.

Geesh, the Infoworld article linked to all the technical papers - how hard was it to click on a few links and get your facts straight.


However, while we have over 50 years of collected wisdom working with spinning disk, flash-based SSDs are relatively new [1]

[1] Roberto Bez, Emilio Camerlenghi, Alberto Mod- elli, and Angelo Visconti. Introduction to Flash Memory. In Procedings of the IEEE, pages 489– 502, April 2003.

Go look at the sources the article uses....


You're showing your ignorance of how a technical paper is written, not poking holes in the paper itself. They're referencing a 10 year old paper to show that "flash-based SSD's are relatively new".


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I keep all my important data on 8" floppies 'cause that's what Jerry said to do in Byte.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:15 pm 
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I keep all my important data on 8" floppies 'cause that's what Jerry said to do in Byte.


My work still has some data on Travan 4 tapes. At least we think it's on there, we don't have a working drive to read them.


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I keep my data on the USS Enterpise
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:54 am 
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The problem with that article is:

1) 13 of 15 drives suffered failures after cutting the power 3000 times. Not a single time, but 3000 times. When is that last time your Linode suffered an unexpected power failure-based shutdown? It seems to only happen every few years. 3000 is an insanely high figure even for consumer use, let alone datacenter use.

2) Of the problems reported, only one failed entirely, others merely suffered some sort of problem, such as data corruption. How much of this was because of the SSD, and how much was because of the filesystem/OS?

3) They don't appear to have performed a similar test on magnetic HDDs as a comparison. For all we know, if you took 15 HDDs and subjected them to the same tests, you'd see similar results.

EDIT: Actually, reading the paper, they do some limited testing on HDDs (a single 5.4K RPM and a single 15K RPM model). One of the HDDs (the 5.4K RPM one, I believe it was) didn't suffer failure (similar to one of the SSDs), and the 15K RPM one did suffer failures. Still, none of their test results differentiate between physical errors and filesystem errors. It seems like the vast majority of errors suffered would be solved by a copy-on-write filesystem with per-block checksums and some sort of redundancy (even if it's a single disk with ditto blocks).


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:12 am 
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Have been using DO for over a month now and so far so good. Automated backups are free, although they are planning to charge a minimal sum for it starting from June.

It's always good to have alternatives. I am glad DO came about, gives Linode more reason to be competitive with their offerings.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:18 pm 
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I use linode for some non-critical apps and I gotta say I am getting really tempted by DO's offers, unless they significantly upgrade the memory in the last phase of their upgrades I don't have much of a reason to stay


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:08 am 
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Just saw this: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/20 ... italocean/

Not so good for DA :x


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:51 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Nuvini wrote:


Linodes used to have the same problem - if you created a raw disk image it would be full of other people's data. I haven't tested it lately, but they say it isn't so anymore. I'm still paranoid enough to zero out partitions myself before deleting them.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6705&hilit=Deleting+disk+zeros+it+out#p36510


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:43 pm 
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Nuvini wrote:


Someone should tell this Kenneth White about cat abuse
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cat /dev/vda | strings > /dev/shm/dump.txt


Totally and utterly pointless use of cat. It should be:
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strings /dev/vda >/dev/shm/dump.txt

And maybe don't store massive files in a tmpfs.

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“Formatting the drive before I get it; yeah that would be good.”

And he doesn't seem to know the difference between formating and blanking either.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:18 pm 
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Back when Wired was a real magazine, they had real science/tech writers.

Now that it's online - it's complete drivel, written by fops that are clueless (at best).

Wired is now up there with "the Sun" and "the National Enquirer", just targeted at hipsters instead of the blue hair crowd.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:54 am 
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Since when don't they have a real magazine? I've still got a ton of Wired magazines that I haven't read yet still in their plastic wrap from when I had a subscription.

OK, so I've been procrastinating that for a few years now.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:03 pm 
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Nuvini wrote:


For what it's worth I created a 4GB droplet in Amsterdam and ran strings on the disk. The only password hashes or private keys I could find came from my newly created filesystem. It's looks like they really have fixed the problem.

I'll try the same on an EBS volume from amazon just for fun.

EDIT: Amazon EBS volumes contain nothing but zeros.
EDIT2: Amazon Instance storage contains nothing but a filesystem over zeroed blocks.


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