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 Post subject: Non-linux Xen guests?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:51 am 
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Are there any plans to offer non-Linux guests under Xen? I am very interested in using FreeBSD as a guest OS -- I used it for many years from 3.0 until 5.3 and consider it to be a great server OS.

I am even willing to be a guinea pig... :)


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 Post subject: hmmm...
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:55 pm 
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Then they might have to rename the company *node (ala *nix, to describe unix-ish OS's). I don't think *node.com is a valid domain name, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:57 am 
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Is there a Xen machine in every datacenter? I'm having 2 Linodes in Dallas now, and I thinking of moving 1 to a Xen machine. But I don't want to "leave" Dallas, it gives me the best ping from Belgium, Europe.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:30 pm 
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tofu wrote:
Is there a Xen machine in every datacenter?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:21 pm 
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caker wrote:
What is Xen, you ask? Xen is a virtualization technology that provides a few benefits over User Mode Linux, namely: performance, the ability to have SMP Linodes, and kernel modules.

I note that the current Xen kernel has no module support - I don't particularly need it for anything urgent, but I'm a bit curious to why; is this waiting for more security testing?

Will the ability to upload custom kernels be available at some time? From what I can see, the security implications will be the same as with modules.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:09 am 
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Last night I released a new Xen kernel, 2.6.18.8-domU-linode5, which "Latest 2.6" now points to. It's built from the latest stable Xen tree (Xen 3.2.0), and does have module support enabled. Most likely you'll need to source to this tree to build modules -- so I'll make that available soon.

As far as custom kernels and other weird things: I do see support in the future, but I want to get to a point where the platform is stable first.

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caker wrote:
…and does have module support enabled…

Cool!

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What is the incentive for participating in the beta? Is there a discount to the monthly fee?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:15 am 
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mstarks01 wrote:
What is the incentive for participating in the beta? Is there a discount to the monthly fee?


No direct financial incentive, but my site now runs with 4 cpus available and my tests show excellent SMP usage and floating point performance. I am continuing to test, for example I'm now checking operating system pipe performance between processes running on different CPUs.

James


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:39 am 
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mstarks01 wrote:
What is the incentive for participating in the beta? Is there a discount to the monthly fee?


It's cool? It's fast? It's not like a linode costs that much to begin with ...


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 Post subject: 64-bit domU support?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:34 am 
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Are 64-bit domU's supported in this Xen beta?

Package management is my incentive to move, not SMP or >4GB addressing. My trusty linode is the last 32-bit linux box that I'm managing. Means building custom packages twice.


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 Post subject: Re: 64-bit domU support?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:41 pm 
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mfoster wrote:
Are 64-bit domU's supported in this Xen beta?

Package management is my incentive to move, not SMP or >4GB addressing. My trusty linode is the last 32-bit linux box that I'm managing. Means building custom packages twice.

The current domU kernels are 32-bit. I don't know if the host supports it - here's (one cpu out of) my linode's /proc/cpuinfo if it helps:
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processor       : 3
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 15
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           L5335  @ 2.00GHz
stepping        : 11
cpu MHz         : 2000.070
cache size      : 4096 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 10
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx tm2 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
bogomips        : 3970.75


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 Post subject: Re: 64-bit domU support?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:10 am 
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bdonlan wrote:
model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5335 @ 2.00GHz


Xeons are 8-bit CPU's, that's why the server needs 4 of them: 8 * 4 = 32, so that the server can run a 32-bit operating system. I learned that from my years at Microsoft, don't you Linux guys know anything about computers? Macs have 32 1-bit CPU's which is why thay can't run Windows, a lot of people don't know that.

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 Post subject: Re: 64-bit domU support?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:45 am 
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zunzun wrote:
Xeons are 8-bit CPU's, that's why the server needs 4 of them: 8 * 4 = 32, so that the server can run a 32-bit operating system. I learned that from my years at Microsoft, don't you Linux guys know anything about computers? Macs have 32 1-bit CPU's which is why thay can't run Windows, a lot of people don't know that.


Would you like to provide some sources to back this statement up?

I should also add that the current generation of Mac's use off the shelf Intel processors, not 32 "1 Bit" processors.


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 Post subject: Re: 64-bit domU support?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:06 am 
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mwalling wrote:
Would you like to provide some sources to back this statement up?


I was wrong, actually Macs use 64 1/2-bit CPUs to reach 32 bits - sorry, my mistake. Windows can't run on 1/2-bit CPUs, so *that* is why XP won't run on Macs. I stand corrected.

James


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