Slackware is now @ 13. Is it possible to provide a distro for linode builds.

Also, with the existing 12.2 distro it is exceedingly unreasonable to not include an editor other than elvis/vi - I.e. the distro itself provides a default option to use nano as the editor and therefor this should reflected included in the existing linode slackware 12.2 build and any future ones. Use of vi can be a real hazard for those who _never_ use it... e.g. there are plenty of Slackers whom prefer other editors (for example those that provide default "^C-<char>" bindings for mode based editing ).

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It shouldn't be hard to upgrade v12.2 to v13.0.

It is simple to install other editors. Almost every mainstream distro has vi installed, even of some don't like it. The better way, IMO, would be to learn how to minimally use vi.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. However, I for one would rather stick needles in my eyes than use vi. Despite all his good work, Bill Joy has a special place in Hell reserved for him, all because of vi.

Let the editor wars begin.

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/ Peter

vi IMPROVED!

I never said I liked vi. You're not understanding things.

If your boss told you to log into a box to fix something and you had to rely on vi (and nothing else) to edit some files, you'd be in trouble. Would you go back to your boss and say, "I can't edit the files to fix the issue because I don't know how to use vi."? Would you spend extra time trying to get another editor onto the box so that you could then fix the issue? If so, your assigned task will be sidelined.

Why even let a situation like that happen. It takes memorizing all of 2-3 keystroke combinations to know how to edit a file using vi.

It is easier to just learn those few keystrokes than have to ensure you have access to your favorite editor so that you can get trivial file edits done. No matter your feelings of editor X, you would be more productive if you tried to learn basic operation of editor X instead of avoiding editor X.*

This has nothing to do with favoritism or editor warring. It just makes sense to me to empower myself to at least know how to use it. A good example: I hated Cisco PIX and still do, but at least I know how to perform basic commands/troubleshooting/maintenance on them...had to force myself to learn it, but I have to ask for less and less help now and I can troubleshoot and conduct maintenance way faster now.

* - X represents your least favorite editor (doesn't have to be vi).

I do believe that Linode includes nano in the base Ubuntu build. It seems reasonable to include it in the Slackware builds as well.

However, one should point out that you can trivially whatever editor you'd like yourself. Nobody is stopping you.

I never said I couldn't use vi, just that I don't want to.


I am the boss

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/ Peter

Even from using ed. The standard. (Ducks.)

1. Every boss has a boss somewhere

2. I lead a team (I'm essentially their boss) and think that I should know everything I charge my team with. It would be embarrassing for me to expect my team to 'think outside of the box' if I wouldn't be doing that myself. And, I'd have an issue with my team not knowing the basics of vi (even though I hate it).

Now, the large MSSP that I work for pushes out images that have only vi (they don't care that its vi or nano or whatever...they start with base distro setups and almost every distro out there has vi in the initial setup). I can't change that, but the next best thing for me and my team is to know a bit about vi so that my tasks don't get bottlenecked.

<shrug> Use whatever you want. I'm just letting you know that sometimes doing what you don't want is sometimes the better way if you want to stay productive and not waste man-hours...but that's just me.

Good option here ^^