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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:11 am 
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NextGen is an impressive upgrade and no doubt great news to the majority of your customers. Super strong offering that puts the competition on notice.

Unfortunately it's not quite suited to my app and business model. My minimum offering needs two boxes, but two Linode 1024s would be surplus to requirements and too expensive for my clients.

Rather than one Linode 1024 for $20 I would happily pay $20 for a pair of Linode 512s with 4 cores each, half the disk space and one public IP. The extra support and maintenance overhead to you would be minimal. Please consider bringing back the 512mb offering, even if they have to be ordered in batches of two or four.

Would anyone else be interested in something like this?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:15 am 
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Wait, $20 for.. two linode 512's with 4 cores each? So... a Linode 1024? (which gives you 8 vcpus)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:20 am 
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Wait, $20 for.. two linode 512's with 4 cores each? So... a Linode 1024? (which gives you 8 vcpus)


Well, yes. That's what I said. I have a requirement to maintain a two-server (or more) architecture. I don't need and (my clients) can't afford two 1GB Linodes, even at this price. But two 512s would be perfect at $10 each.

I often hear that Linode won't go below $20 because they don't want the extra support overhead and "bad neighbours" associated with the Low End Box crowd. Fine, that makes sense. But why not let customers order multiple smaller boxes instead of just cutting out the perfectly adequate 512 plans?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:54 am 
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Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:11 am 
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Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


I'm not suggesting they "go below $20". Do you speak for them in an official capacity or are you just a sanctimonious busybody?

Do you see any 512 VPS plans available at Linode now?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:13 am 
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Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


I'm not suggesting they "go below $20". Do you speak for them in an official capacity or are you just a sanctimonious busybody? Where did I ask for your opinion?

Do you see any 512 VPS plans available at Linode now?


By posting here you are asking for the opinions of others. If you want an official response don't post here, but make a ticket or mail Linode instead.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:25 am 
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Guspaz wrote:
Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


The thing is for a lot of applications a Linode 1024 is overkill.

One of the companies I work for needs an external DNS server. Linode is a good choice because they are cheap and reliable. A Linode 256 would not be stressed by that workload. Don't tell me it's only $20/Month, when the accountants are having trouble making payroll every month that could be $20 less that someone gets in their pay packet.

If the wrong person notices digital ocean are cheaper I could end up with the worry of having an unreliable DNS server and I really don't need that.

How about bringing back Linode 512's and charging $12.50/month for them? Everyone wins.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:28 am 
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Nuvini wrote:
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Guspaz wrote:
Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


I'm not suggesting they "go below $20". Do you speak for them in an official capacity or are you just a sanctimonious busybody? Where did I ask for your opinion?

Do you see any 512 VPS plans available at Linode now?


By posting here you are asking for the opinions of others. If you want an official response don't post here, but make a ticket or mail Linode instead.


Fair point. I do find Guspaz's unconstructive and arrogant responses off-putting though. He's probably costing Linode business.

I can't be the only one that thinks 1GB VPS are overkill for many applications? I understand this whole "$20 barrier" thing everyone speculates about. Why not let me purchase 10 x 512s for $100 per month? No "$20" problem there.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:34 am 
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I do not speak for Linode in any capacity but I can almost guarantee you there will not be a under $20 offering. This has been discussed many times in the past. You are not the first person to recommend halving the lowest plan to offer yet another cheap plan. You realize what would happen if they did create a $10 512 plan right? You got it, someone would demand a 256 plan for $5. You know what would happen then right? ....

To add to this yes it would get to the point if this process was allowed to continue where the resources would be too small to be practical. But still, every time Linode graces us with their additional resources it would make halving the lowest plan again plausible/practical. Then in 10 years from now if Linode did this they would have around 50 different plans and a huge mess trying to keep them all on different hardware and managed.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:35 am 
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TeshooLama wrote:
Fair point. I do find Guspaz's unconstructive and arrogant responses off-putting though. He's probably costing Linode business.


Don't take anything anyone says on this forum too seriously, it's not Linode's official anything. This forum is a mix of bright technical people, complaining, and trolling. Sometimes all three in one post.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:41 am 
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Errm, they didn't "cut out" the 512 plans, they gave them all a free upgrade. 512s were $20 before, now you get a 1024 for the same price.

If Linode is too expensive for your clients today, they were certainly too expensive before the upgrade.

Linode isn't going to go lower than $20 (well, $17 if you pay in a lump sum), but there are various things you can do in regards to chroot jails or OpenVZ in order to get some separation.

If your client expects a reliable multi-server architecture for $20/mth or less, though, their requirements are bad and they should re-examine them.


The thing is for a lot of applications a Linode 1024 is overkill.

One of the companies I work for needs an external DNS server. Linode is a good choice because they are cheap and reliable. A Linode 256 would not be stressed by that workload. Don't tell me it's only $20/Month, when the accountants are having trouble making payroll every month that could be $20 less that someone gets in their pay packet.

If the wrong person notices digital ocean are cheaper I could end up with the worry of having an unreliable DNS server and I really don't need that.

How about bringing back Linode 512's and charging $12.50/month for them? Everyone wins.


Couldn't agree more. It's completely inane to say "what difference does $X make". That small dollar amount can have a massive marginal impact when you're trying to hit competitive price points. On its own a small dollar amount can add up to a person's entire yearly salary when applied to many clients.

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I do not speak for Linode in any capacity but I can almost guarantee you there will not be a under $20 offering. This has been discussed many times in the past. You are not the first person to recommend halving the lowest plan to offer yet another cheap plan. You realize what would happen if they did create a $10 512 plan right? You got it, someone would demand a 256 plan for $5. You know what would happen then right? ....


I get it. I hear you. They don't want to have a $10 plan. But you missed my point. Why not give me a two 512s for $20. It's a $20 plan. I'd order bundles of these plans! I'd even pay $25 for the privilege.


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No, I get what you are asking. It still requires hardware for 512 plans though. And someone after you will say hey that's nice. But I need 4 256 plans for $20/month. After that someone will need 8 128 plans for $20/month.....

Then every time linode gives us more resources this issue will come up again. Quickly it will turn into a mess that would degrade the quality of service for all linode users.


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To be more exact, Linode 512 has been replaced by Linode 1024, in the same way the Linode 64 was replaced by Linode 80, and subsequentally by Linode 100, Linode 256, Linode 300, Linode 360, and Linode 512 (these were all the lowest Linode plan, all priced at $19.95 per month - I know, I checked archive.org for older copies of Linode's website from 2004-2010).


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:49 am 
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No, I get what you are asking. It still requires hardware for 512 plans though. And someone after you will say hey that's nice. But I need 4 256 plans for $20/month. After that someone will need 8 128 plans for $20/month.....

Then every time linode gives us more resources this issue will come up again. Quickly it will turn into a mess that would degrade the quality of service for all linode users.


I think you're right in theory but not in practice. 512 is a reasonable cut-off point. You can get a lot of stuff done on a 512mb Linode. You couldn't say the same for a 256mb or 128mb box any more.

I suppose the same could've been said at every step of Linode's growth from Linode 80 through 360. But small websites and other light-use cases just don't need more than 512mb today.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:53 am 
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You are wrong, sort of. $10 might be reasonable, but $20 is also very reasonable. By the way, $10 is not reasonable to many people. Why do you think the other cheap providers (I wont start naming names) are able to sell crap for $5 or less a month?

What is reasonable to you may not be to another. So my theory stands. Really it is not a theory, it is fact.

Also, I strongly refute your claim that you could not get a lot done on the 256MB plan, or even lower. It depends on what you need the server for and there are things that 256 or even lower would be, yes, "overkill".

If Linode offered a 256 Plan still today for like $5 a month, I would probably have at least one. My mind is racing on the possibilities to offload certain services off my main server to that.


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